So then if it's already installed what is that card with the little tiny piece that's missing?? I looked on one of the boxes and it says High Speed Data Access with a 3G symbol next to it and the card has a 3G symbol on it so I'm guessin that little tiny piece is a High Speed Data Access chip?? The little tiny piece isn't there so what do I do?? Also.if the SIM card is already installed on the phone should I just ignore the part of the instructions that says to slide the SmarterChipinto the holder until it clicks?? So then if it's already installed what is that card with the little tiny piece that's missing?? I looked on one of the boxes and it says High Speed Data Access with a 3G symbol next to it and the card has a 3G symbol on it so I'm guessin that little tiny piece is a High Speed Data Access chip?? The little tiny piece isn't there so what do I do?? Also.if the SIM card is already installed on the phone should I just ignore the part of the instructions that says to slide the SmarterChipinto the holder until it clicks?? I just got the phone today and haven't even put it together yet. I thought that it would already be put together for you. I didn't know you had to do it yourself. I just want to know what this one card that looks like the size of a credit card with the little piece missing is. As wilcre said, it's the SIM card holder, that's how the SIM cards are typically shipped. It is easier to program them when the card is still in the credit-card size plastic holder. Once programmed, the SIM itself is removed from the holder and inserted into the phone. Typically when you order from AT&T it's already done for you. Well the main thing is load balancing. For example, if your phone is homed to Orange's network and it is starting to become crowded, the 64K SIM is setup to allow Cingular to boot you to Blue's network, assuming it is less crowded. It goes both ways, Orange to Blue, Blue to Orange. When I migrated from a Blue plan to an Orange plan, I received my phones which were homed to Orange's network. The next day, the were homed to Blue's network. I recently had them switch me back because of some problems I was having keeping track of my minutes and other minor things that were beginning to irritate me. Anyway, I actually had to get my sim cards replaced when I was having my phones re-homed to Orange's network because even though Cingular's systems were setup to home both of my phones to Orange's network, my phones would not let go of Blue's network. The SIM cards would not take the update. ![]() SIM/SmartChip question. AT&T rep told me I can't move my sim card to a new phone; possible bs? So no activation fee for byop even if I need another sim. Switching out the SIM cards worked and both of my phones are now homed to Orange's network. I hope this information helps. Well the main thing is load balancing. For example, if your phone is homed to Orange's network and it is starting to become crowded, the 64K SIM is setup to allow Cingular to boot you to Blue's network, assuming it is less crowded. It goes both ways, Orange to Blue, Blue to Orange. When I migrated from a Blue plan to an Orange plan, I received my phones which were homed to Orange's network. ![]() The next day, the were homed to Blue's network. I recently had them switch me back because of some problems I was having keeping track of my minutes and other minor things that were beginning to irritate me. Anyway, I actually had to get my sim cards replaced when I was having my phones re-homed to Orange's network because even though Cingular's systems were setup to home both of my phones to Orange's network, my phones would not let go of Blue's network. The SIM cards would not take the update. Switching out the SIM cards worked and both of my phones are now homed to Orange's network. I hope this information helps. Click to expand. That was pretty much my problem. My minute counters would be almost a week behind. So the week before my new billing cycle would start, those minutes would be carried over and billed to the next cycle. It got really irritating. The thing is, when Cingular customers are homed to Blue's network, Cingular's systems still think of you as roaming, permantely. At least in my area and probably in many others. I'm thinking that it will only be fixed once they put all the towers on the same network ID. Since I live in Seattle, both networks exist here. So I tried to get my phones back to Orange. I finally was successful after having to exchange both of my SIMs. That was pretty much my problem. My minute counters would be almost a week behind. So the week before my new billing cycle would start, those minutes would be carried over and billed to the next cycle. It got really irritating. The thing is, when Cingular customers are homed to Blue's network, Cingular's systems still think of you as roaming, permantely. At least in my area and probably in many others. I'm thinking that it will only be fixed once they put all the towers on the same network ID. Since I live in Seattle, both networks exist here. So I tried to get my phones back to Orange. I finally was successful after having to exchange both of my SIMs. Thanks for all your input. Sounds like the 'new and improved' sim actually creates more hassles as well?! We do have both Orange and Blue networks here in Calif. Though I noticed there seem to be no noteworthy comments from California users. It's been about 24 hours since I changed my 32K for the 64K. So far all my calls seem to appear in my log as I make them. I have also noticed a better chance of getting a call through (load balancing per SBacklin) since an Orange tower seems to be out in my neighborhood. However, I will keep an eye on the minute tracking and report back. I was wondering if there may be a potential for Cingular to somehow restrict or take over/limit the functionality of my phone if I install the new smart chip. I got a free chip in the mail and it requires calling a number to activate it. This makes me think that my older chip would then not be linked to my account so I couldn't revert back. I guess I fear that there may be some latent data on the chip that would serve Cingular's purposes at my expense. Maybe the new chip has some backdoor that Cingular will utilize at a latter date to 'help' me in ways I never thought possible. I could just picture a bunch of Cingular Lawyers and marketing people siting on piles of money thinking to themselves, 'We have such a large installed user base, but it will be years before we can get them to trade in their old phones for our new and improved smart phones. Only then will we be able to charge them in ways never before possible HAHAHA!!! If only we could somehow dupe them into installing our spyware for us. Maybe a 'free' smartchip that claimes to makes sound travel better? Just a possibly parinoid thought, but seeing as how Cingular has never done anything good for anybody that I know, it makes me wonder why they would start now. The pretext of an improved digital sound file somehow traveling through the air more cleanly or faster than other electromagnetic waves just insults me. I was wondering if there may be a potential for Cingular to somehow restrict or take over/limit the functionality of my phone if I install the new smart chip. I got a free chip in the mail and it requires calling a number to activate it. This makes me think that my older chip would then not be linked to my account so I couldn't revert back. I guess I fear that there may be some latent data on the chip that would serve Cingular's purposes at my expense. Maybe the new chip has some backdoor that Cingular will utilize at a latter date to 'help' me in ways I never thought possible. I could just picture a bunch of Cingular Lawyers and marketing people siting on piles of money thinking to themselves, 'We have such a large installed user base, but it will be years before we can get them to trade in their old phones for our new and improved smart phones. Only then will we be able to charge them in ways never before possible HAHAHA!!! If only we could somehow dupe them into installing our spyware for us. Maybe a 'free' smartchip that claimes to makes sound travel better? Just a possibly parinoid thought, but seeing as how Cingular has never done anything good for anybody that I know, it makes me wonder why they would start now. The pretext of an improved digital sound file somehow traveling through the air more cleanly or faster than other electromagnetic waves just insults me. There are a couple of other important features of the new 64k chips other than 'load-balancing.' First, they have more memory in them to store info like your phone book. Also, the first 3 digits of the 64k chip (410?) mean it will always look for the '410' network (Cingular), first. My old 32k SIM starts with '170', therefore would always check the 170 network first, which is now owned by T-Mobile. It's only a slight delay, though. Load-balancing was never needed in our (all-Blue) region, so new chips made no difference other than the above. Pariah357 makes a legitimate point. Fortunately, the SIM's are pretty harmless. Have you ever looked at how much information is sent back to Microsoft everytime you use Media Player? I was with Cingular from the pre-merger days and so my 32K SIM does start with 410. I have resisted getting a 64K for over a year at the suggestion of my friend who is a tech at the local Cingular corporate store. He always told me what all of you combined are saying. The biggest reason he is recommending that I stay on my old SIM until the integration is completed, is because Cingular Blue is really weak around here and if the 64K chooses Blue for load balancing then I would lose out on signal strength and quality. I have no complains about the signal strength through all the changes, if anything I can see it getting better, so I am staying with my 32K SIM untill it disintegrates. I was with Cingular from the pre-merger days and so my 32K SIM does start with 410. I have resisted getting a 64K for over a year at the suggestion of my friend who is a tech at the local Cingular corporate store. He always told me what all of you combined are saying. The biggest reason he is recommending that I stay on my old SIM until the integration is completed, is because Cingular Blue is really weak around here and if the 64K chooses Blue for load balancing then I would lose out on signal strength and quality. I have no complains about the signal strength through all the changes, if anything I can see it getting better, so I am staying with my 32K SIM untill it disintegrates.
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